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		<title>Comment on Mother 3&#8217;s battle music by calebmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>calebmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the game never explained this very well... thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the game never explained this very well&#8230; thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Syncopation in the Super Mario Bros. theme by Dan Bruno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, to &lt;strong&gt;Nhex&lt;/strong&gt; and everyone else: Thanks! Glad you guys are still enjoying these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, to <strong>Nhex</strong> and everyone else: Thanks! Glad you guys are still enjoying these.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Syncopation in the Super Mario Bros. theme by Dan Bruno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;JPLC:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah, you may be right. The original version still turns up from time to time, though, like in &lt;cite&gt;New Super Mario Bros.&lt;/cite&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Daniel:&lt;/strong&gt; Very nice analysis! I&#039;m curious what you make of the &lt;cite&gt;All-Stars&lt;/cite&gt; arrangement in Rafi&#039;s link -- it keeps the swung hi-hat and snare on beat 3 from the original, but it also moves those notes in the main riff as in the &lt;cite&gt;Brawl&lt;/cite&gt; arrangement. Do you think it works?

&lt;strong&gt;Rafi:&lt;/strong&gt; Nice catch! I didn&#039;t even think to look at the intermediate arrangements. Scanning YouTube quickly, I noticed that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPISCorNHwQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Tetris DS&lt;/cite&gt; remix&lt;/a&gt; has a four-on-the-floor beat and no added syncopation.

&lt;strong&gt;dfan:&lt;/strong&gt; I think I hear the original as less syncopated because that D you mention lands on a strong beat (3); that&#039;s stressed enough for me to hear the offbeat leading tone as an afterthought and not an accent. Granted, landing on 4 is nothing special, but it still sounds less &quot;square&quot; to me than hitting 3 -- especially since he&#039;s already hit notes on 1 and 3 in the previous bar. (I&#039;m with you on preferring the original rhythm, though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>JPLC:</strong> Yeah, you may be right. The original version still turns up from time to time, though, like in <cite>New Super Mario Bros.</cite></p>
<p><strong>Daniel:</strong> Very nice analysis! I&#8217;m curious what you make of the <cite>All-Stars</cite> arrangement in Rafi&#8217;s link &#8212; it keeps the swung hi-hat and snare on beat 3 from the original, but it also moves those notes in the main riff as in the <cite>Brawl</cite> arrangement. Do you think it works?</p>
<p><strong>Rafi:</strong> Nice catch! I didn&#8217;t even think to look at the intermediate arrangements. Scanning YouTube quickly, I noticed that the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPISCorNHwQ" rel="nofollow"><cite>Tetris DS</cite> remix</a> has a four-on-the-floor beat and no added syncopation.</p>
<p><strong>dfan:</strong> I think I hear the original as less syncopated because that D you mention lands on a strong beat (3); that&#8217;s stressed enough for me to hear the offbeat leading tone as an afterthought and not an accent. Granted, landing on 4 is nothing special, but it still sounds less &#8220;square&#8221; to me than hitting 3 &#8212; especially since he&#8217;s already hit notes on 1 and 3 in the previous bar. (I&#8217;m with you on preferring the original rhythm, though.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Syncopation in the Super Mario Bros. theme by dfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice!

I actually feel a lot more syncopation in the first version (and like it a lot more too).  The phrase aims for a nice goal of D on beat 3 (you could totally imagine it just ending there with a half note), then throws in that off-beat leading tone (THIS is the most conspicuous offbeat to me!) to act as a big syncopated upbeat and keep you off balance until you hit the next downbeat.

The second version moves all of the syncopation inside the normal boundaries of the phrase, and lands smack dab on 4 just as you&#039;d expect.  Much more smooth, and (in my opinion) much more boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice!</p>
<p>I actually feel a lot more syncopation in the first version (and like it a lot more too).  The phrase aims for a nice goal of D on beat 3 (you could totally imagine it just ending there with a half note), then throws in that off-beat leading tone (THIS is the most conspicuous offbeat to me!) to act as a big syncopated upbeat and keep you off balance until you hit the next downbeat.</p>
<p>The second version moves all of the syncopation inside the normal boundaries of the phrase, and lands smack dab on 4 just as you&#8217;d expect.  Much more smooth, and (in my opinion) much more boring.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Syncopation in the Super Mario Bros. theme by Rafi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first change to the syncopation appeared in the Super Mario All-stars version of the &quot;overworld&quot; theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN2vekniR3U -- it was already in the works back in 1993!

Glad to see the return of the music-centric posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first change to the syncopation appeared in the Super Mario All-stars version of the &#8220;overworld&#8221; theme: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN2vekniR3U" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN2vekniR3U</a> &#8212; it was already in the works back in 1993!</p>
<p>Glad to see the return of the music-centric posts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The road to Mother 3 by Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Meh said:&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
In fact, if you want to play in English, you need to emulate.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Completely untrue, all you need is a flash cart; the ones for the GBA aren&#039;t very expensive either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Meh said:</i></p>
<blockquote><p>
In fact, if you want to play in English, you need to emulate.
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<p>Completely untrue, all you need is a flash cart; the ones for the GBA aren&#8217;t very expensive either.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Syncopation in the Super Mario Bros. theme by Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see another music post here, Dan. Welcome back!

This is really interesting, but I think the change in syncopation actually reflects a change in genre-style from Kondo.

What we hear in the first one is, as you note, an emphasis on the off beat. Many people have called it calypso, and I don&#039;t think that&#039;s quite right, but it&#039;s definitely a rock-reggae inspired beat behind it. The emphasis of the &#039;snare&#039; is on the three, with the swung hats indicating an unplayed skank of reggae that might have made it in if he had more voices available. It might not have, the other arrangements indicate that he probably left it out as a choice; it&#039;s implicitly there, though, I think.

The second version has changed genres to more of an afrobeat feel, I think. What we have here is the emphasis of the whole rhythm on the bass drum coming in on the one. The change in syncopation allows Kondo to stretch the melody out just a little bit more and make that one-emphasis feel more natural. If you think it through in your head, without that change the fourth beat of the fourth bar of the main melody line would be a little sparse. It doesn&#039;t flow as easily as it does with the added syncopation. The key here is that the original has the offbeat skank to fill in that gap whereas the new arrangement doesn&#039;t; it&#039;s dead space.

Thanks for noticing this and posting! Very interesting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see another music post here, Dan. Welcome back!</p>
<p>This is really interesting, but I think the change in syncopation actually reflects a change in genre-style from Kondo.</p>
<p>What we hear in the first one is, as you note, an emphasis on the off beat. Many people have called it calypso, and I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s quite right, but it&#8217;s definitely a rock-reggae inspired beat behind it. The emphasis of the &#8217;snare&#8217; is on the three, with the swung hats indicating an unplayed skank of reggae that might have made it in if he had more voices available. It might not have, the other arrangements indicate that he probably left it out as a choice; it&#8217;s implicitly there, though, I think.</p>
<p>The second version has changed genres to more of an afrobeat feel, I think. What we have here is the emphasis of the whole rhythm on the bass drum coming in on the one. The change in syncopation allows Kondo to stretch the melody out just a little bit more and make that one-emphasis feel more natural. If you think it through in your head, without that change the fourth beat of the fourth bar of the main melody line would be a little sparse. It doesn&#8217;t flow as easily as it does with the added syncopation. The key here is that the original has the offbeat skank to fill in that gap whereas the new arrangement doesn&#8217;t; it&#8217;s dead space.</p>
<p>Thanks for noticing this and posting! Very interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Syncopation in the Super Mario Bros. theme by Nhex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nhex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 06:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love these music posts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love these music posts!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Syncopation in the Super Mario Bros. theme by JPLC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JPLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 05:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Music post! Yay!

If anything, I&#039;d say the evidence that he prefers the new one would just be the fact that the new one is the one used most recently. He could have kept it the same over the years, but he decided to adjust it.

But really, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if both kind of still live in him. It&#039;s his baby, and he ain&#039;t gonna forget its childhood so easily just because it&#039;s grown up. =p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Music post! Yay!</p>
<p>If anything, I&#8217;d say the evidence that he prefers the new one would just be the fact that the new one is the one used most recently. He could have kept it the same over the years, but he decided to adjust it.</p>
<p>But really, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if both kind of still live in him. It&#8217;s his baby, and he ain&#8217;t gonna forget its childhood so easily just because it&#8217;s grown up. =p</p>
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		<title>Comment on Irregular meter in video games, part three by HypergiantNoise</title>
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		<description>This is a really cool list you&#039;ve put together here (love the Flecktones connection, I&#039;m a huge fan of theirs). Anyway, I don&#039;t know if you listen to metal at all, but if you&#039;ve never heard Meshuggah I would seriously check them out. They&#039;re like mad scientists when it comes to complex rhythm. Even if metal isn&#039;t your thing, I bet you&#039;ll appreciate the rhythm aspect. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really cool list you&#8217;ve put together here (love the Flecktones connection, I&#8217;m a huge fan of theirs). Anyway, I don&#8217;t know if you listen to metal at all, but if you&#8217;ve never heard Meshuggah I would seriously check them out. They&#8217;re like mad scientists when it comes to complex rhythm. Even if metal isn&#8217;t your thing, I bet you&#8217;ll appreciate the rhythm aspect. :D</p>
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